Top 10 WRs

[.AirMcNair. 1,232]

Reading JD's posts over the past year or two, I've come to the conclusion that 3/4ths of the shit he posts is just a bunch of bullshit trying to create activity in a thread. He seems to have succeeded once again here.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

I don't support JD's "rankings" I do think Nelson deserves more credit then he's getting. I'd take him over DT, as well as Brandon Marshall, Fitz, etc.

 

Also, do people realize that Julio Jones was completely raping the NFL? Its crazy how low he's on some of these lists imo.

Edited March 27, 2014 by DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F

[RazorStar 4,025]

Percy Harvin should be number 1 then because he only played one game and raped that team. >_>

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

You're doing it wrong...

[ATL_Predator+ 1,196]

Also, do people realize that Julio Jones was completely raping the NFL? Its crazy how low he's on some of these lists imo.

 

Very true. If Julio did't have that injury last year..it would've been a freak year for him.

[BJORN 679]

Easily. The only one I kind of regret right now is Andre Johnson, he should be higher. That was definitely a gaffe on my end. Otherwise, man, my list is awesome.

Elaborate on easily. I do respect your position on Jordy as he is super underrated and as a Packers fan you would know better than me when it comes to his play. That being said, he is a fringe top 10 player for me. Julio is in my top 5, safely at #3.

 

1. Megatron

2. AJ Green

3. Julio Jones

4. Andre Johnson

5. Demaryius Thomas

6. Josh Gordon

7. Antonio Brown

8. Dez Bryant

9. Brandon Marshall

10. Larry Fitzgerald

 

I'd have an assortment of VJax, Jordy, and Pierre Garcon (this guy makes some insane catches and had a career year last season) all close behind Larry at #10.

Edited March 27, 2014 by BJORN

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

 

No receiver on the Packers deserves a spot on this list. We all saw how poorly they played when Rodgers wasn't in there. Putting Jordy in the top 10 is bad enough, putting him top 5 is extreme homerism.

Jordy Nelson had arguably the best year of his career. Moronic, you are.

 

 

 

Reading JD's posts over the past year or two, I've come to the conclusion that 3/4ths of the shit he posts is just a bunch of bullshit trying to create activity in a thread. He seems to have succeeded once again here.

Alex, I want have sex with you.

 

 

So Jordy is better than Julio, BMarsh, Dez, but most importantly...ANDRE JOHNSON...?

 

The guy who has had shit handed to him on a platter and is told to make something of it. Never has had any true help in the WR department. And the best QB he had was Schaub..but has dealt with the likes of David Carr, Leinart, Rosenfels, TJ Yates, Keenum and probably someone else who is irrelevant.

 

Thanatos already brougth this up and I said I would probably move Andre up. Come up with your own material, at least ATL.

 

But Jordy is definitely better than everyone else you said. I challenged Sean and everyone else here to tell me why Jordy doesn't belong up there.. What about his game is so inferior that he doesn't deserve a mention? Nobody has answered me. Instead, the retort is.. "You're wrong because I said so".

 

I gave valid points why Jordy belongs on the list, and until someone can actually formulate a real argument as to why he shouldn't be...He should be on everyone's list.

 

People putting Larry Fitzgerald are no better than what you are claiming me to be. Stop living in the past. Larry isn't bad by any means, but definitely not Top 10 anymore.

 

Brandon Marshall is horrible and doesn't deserve the praise you guys give him. He doesn't do anything well except use his size. That's not a bad thing, mind you.. but that's all he does. He runs at half speed, has brick hands, appears to not know the playbook, does nothing after the catch. Lol. He has gotten better the last year or two, I will admit... But a zebra doesn't change it's stripes.

Edited March 28, 2014 by Favre4Ever

[seanbrock 1,684]

I can tell you why I think Larry is still a top WR in the NFL. I saw him play a couple times this year. He's still a great route runner.he still has great hands and he has such tremendous strength and physicality still. He's a great possession WR. The leaping ability has diminished but I think if the Cards oline improves as much as I think it can we could see a big year from him.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Ah, so Larry is basically a poor mans Jordy Nelson now? Why do you hate Nelson so much, again?

[AllYouNeedIsLovie 377]

 

No receiver on the Packers deserves a spot on this list. We all saw how poorly they played when Rodgers wasn't in there. Putting Jordy in the top 10 is bad enough, putting him top 5 is extreme homerism.

Jordy Nelson had arguably the best year of his career. Moronic, you are.

 

In the 7 games Rodgers wasn't in, Nelson only broke 65 yards twice. In 7 of the 8 games Rodgers played in, Nelson broke 65 yards seven times.

 

Nelson's numbers are very inflated by having Rodgers as his QB. You having him as a top 5 receiver is ridiculous.

 

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Why is it ridiculous? If we are discounting all WRs with good QBs we have the ability to form a whole new list... lol

Give me reasons why Jordy Nelson isn't a Top 5 or Top 10 wideout by pointing out things he does or doesn't do on the field to warrant your hate.

[Cherry 1,302]

Why is it ridiculous? If we are discounting all WRs with good QBs we have the ability to form a whole new list... lol

 

Give me reasons why Jordy Nelson isn't a Top 5 or Top 10 wideout by pointing out things he does or doesn't do on the field to warrant your hate.

Josh Gordon had Weeden/Campbell as his QB. He put up back to back 200+. Discrediting a receiver for having a good QB is completely reasonable if that player would cease production without said QB. Julian Edelman is a good example of production without extreme talent but a good QB. Nelson has very good hands and body control, but he can't perform on a top 10 level if he doesn't have A-Rod, and even with A-Rod he sometimes gets lost in the crowd of talent.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

 

Why is it ridiculous? If we are discounting all WRs with good QBs we have the ability to form a whole new list... lol

 

Give me reasons why Jordy Nelson isn't a Top 5 or Top 10 wideout by pointing out things he does or doesn't do on the field to warrant your hate.

Josh Gordon had Weeden/Campbell as his QB. He put up back to back 200+. Discrediting a receiver for having a good QB is completely reasonable if that player would cease production without said QB. Julian Edelman is a good example of production without extreme talent but a good QB. Nelson has very good hands and body control, but he can't perform on a top 10 level if he doesn't have A-Rod, and even with A-Rod he sometimes gets lost in the crowd of talent.

 

Josh Gordon is my #1 WR. I don't discredit him for having crap QBs.

 

And you are very wrong. He performs at a high level with or without Aaron Rodgers at QB -- regardless of the statistics he puts up. Which is why I mentioned he had his best season as a pro last year with Aaron gone. Aaron Rodgers being out of the lineup may effect his catches / yards / TDs... But it doesn't change the way he plays the game. It doesn't make him run routes any less, it doesn't make him fake out defenders less, it doesn't make him lose more matchups with top ranked CBs,

 

His skill set does not diminish with a lesser QB -- and neither does any other WR.

[ATL_Predator+ 1,196]

No Reggie Wayne anywhere?

[Cherry 1,302]

No Reggie Wayne anywhere?

If it weren't for the ACL, he'd be on mine.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

Unless if one believes that a wide receiver would be able to put up the exact same numbers or close to it with a different, possibly worse QB... It should definitely be held against him.

[AllYouNeedIsLovie 377]

Why is it ridiculous? If we are discounting all WRs with good QBs we have the ability to form a whole new list... lol

 

Give me reasons why Jordy Nelson isn't a Top 5 or Top 10 wideout by pointing out things he does or doesn't do on the field to warrant your hate.

He only puts up good numbers when one of the best QB's in the game, if not the best, is throwing him the football. When he doesn't have Rodgers throwing to him, his production drops significantly. If he were a top 5 WR like you claim he is, he would have put up much better numbers than he did when Rodgers was out.

 

The fact that you have Nelson over Dez, Marshall and Andre Johnson is beyond ridiculous. That's on Crash's level of homerism.

 

[BC 331]

1. Calvin Johnson

2. AJ Green

3. Dez Bryant

4. Josh Gordon

5. Julio Jones

6. Brandon Marshall

7. Demaryius Thomas

8. Wes Welker

9. Alshon Jeffrey

10. Andre Johnson

Everyone seems to have a slightly different philosophy in ranking players, which is also common among the experts on ESPN or NFLN. For me, the way I approach it, is who would pose the biggest threat to Sherman, Revis, and the other elite pass defenders in the league if they were to match up TODAY, in order, based on size, speed, and intangibles. I know some of you are really keen on stats and history, such as who has accomplished and proven themselves more. But for me, in order to rank them this way, you really have to put stats and past accomplishments aside, because the NFL changes fast and rankings never look anything alike on a year to year basis.

Edited April 17, 2014 by BC

[Turry 755]

Welker at number 8? Or even on the list for that matter.

[BC 331]

Yes. The dude is impossible to shut down altogether, can line up anywhere on the field, has some of the league's best hands, and is a reception and YAC machine. Not to mention comes back just as strong following serious injuries.

Edited April 1, 2014 by BC

[Bay 2,003]

Yes. The dude is impossible to shut down altogether, can line up anywhere on the field, has some of the league's best hands, and is a reception and YAC machine. Not to mention comes back just as strong following serious injuries.

[Turry 755]

Yes. The dude is impossible to shut down altogether, can line up anywhere on the field, has some of the league's best hands, and is a reception and YAC machine. Not to mention comes back just as strong following serious injuries.

 

[Dutch 874]

Nah. I almost put him on my list just out of fear he would come after me, but then I realized he was too busy hitting his momma to deal with me. Not Top 10. Vincent Jackson takes my 10th spot for the Cobb troll pick. If Dez is lucky, he can carry the shoulder pads of the players on my list back to the lockerroom after practice.

 

His mom was a crack head too so we don't know how valid that report was. Dez Bryant hasn't gotten into any trouble in the last 2 seasons. His behavior has improved and if anything deserves commendation for his changes becoming a better person (and player). Gotta let go of the past.

 

Ya, when he's actually trying. Which is about 12.64% of the time. Not good enough for me, even if he's the best in the league that 12.64% of the time.

 

In Dez's first two seasons, his effort could definitely be questioned underachieving with all his talent. His last two seasons however, Dez has stepped his game up tremendously and works hard to make a play every down. Not sure if you watched many Cowboys games in the last two seasons making a statement like that.

 

Here are some plays that people are accustomed to seeing watching Dez Bryant play.

 

You may remember this one.

 

Great effort saying in bounds in double coverage.

 

If I recall correctly, his right foot may have been out, but still great effort trying to bring in a tough grab like that.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think I've seen a player lay out like this to catch a ball in a loooong time. Amazing effort to bring this catch in.

 

His effort is no longer in question in the past two seasons if you've been watching Dez Bryant.

 

It's also to be noted that no WR has more TDs then Dez Bryant in the past 3 seasons. He has been the best receiving TD machine in that time frame not named Jimmy Graham (36), Dez Bryant (34), Calvin Johnson (33), Rob Gronkowski (32; if only...) and A.J Green (29).

 

Furthermore, he was the most productive receiver in the redzone last year

 

This past season in the Red zone Dez had:

 

20 targets, 13 receptions, 68 yards and 10 TDs in the redzone. So, Dez caught a TD 50% of the time he was targeted in the redzone. That is insane! Even more mind boggling, when Dez caught a pass in the redzone, 77% of the time, it was a TD. That's beyond ridiculous.

 

Dez Bryant is one of the most productive play makers in the league and is a top WR in the league. His production and impact warrants a place on a top 10 list. There aren't 10 receivers better than Dez Bryant in this league.

 

Thanatos already brougth this up and I said I would probably move Andre up. Come up with your own material, at least ATL.

But Jordy is definitely better than everyone else you said. I challenged Sean and everyone else here to tell me why Jordy doesn't belong up there.. What about his game is so inferior that he doesn't deserve a mention? Nobody has answered me. Instead, the retort is.. "You're wrong because I said so".

 

I gave valid points why Jordy belongs on the list, and until someone can actually formulate a real argument as to why he shouldn't be...He should be on everyone's list.

 

People putting Larry Fitzgerald are no better than what you are claiming me to be. Stop living in the past. Larry isn't bad by any means, but definitely not Top 10 anymore.

 

Brandon Marshall is horrible and doesn't deserve the praise you guys give him. He doesn't do anything well except use his size. That's not a bad thing, mind you.. but that's all he does. He runs at half speed, has brick hands, appears to not know the playbook, does nothing after the catch. Lol. He has gotten better the last year or two, I will admit... But a zebra doesn't change it's stripes.

 

 

You can put up a reasonable argument how Larry may not be top 10 anymore. I could accept that even though my own personal eye test says other wise. Keeping him in my top 5 could be slight bias and I'll make an adjustment to my list a littler later.

 

However, calling Brandon Marshall a horrible receiver is just plain foolish. Marshall has performed at an elite level considering being behind horrible offensive lines, being the only receiving option in every season (excluding this year), and had an erratic Jay Cutler and Dolphins QBs (lol) pass him the ball. Despite that, Marshall has had seven straight seasons over 1000 yards and seven straight seasons over 81+ catches and over five 100 catch seasons in that time frame. That's averaging 99 catches and 1249 yards over 7 seasons. Marshall has been straight balling and there is no denying that. He's chasing careers like that of Reggie Wayne and actually has one of the more steady, consistent, and productive seasons in the history of the game only being out performed but some of the all time greats in their first 8 seasons: Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens (comparable in some categories such as receptions). Marshall's production is undeniable. Comments such as all he uses is his size is a hasty generalization and doesn't have much substance; inductive reasoning especially if you watch some all 22 film on Marshall and you will see how diverse his route running tree is, amazing situational awareness, great blocker, how good his body adjustment and control is, and the freakishly good catches his makes.

 

Just a few examples:

 

 

 

 

Now, lets talk about Brandon Marshall's YAC. This isn't the first time his YAC has been attacked while I continue to defend Marshall. Let us dig deeper and see if Brandon Marshall YAC stat really reduces his effectiveness at his position. Marshall was 57th in the league in YAC last year with only 317 which at first glance is extremely low. However, let us consider the Yards at the Catch (YAtC) which is basically yards at the point of the catch. In this category, Brandon Marshall is 6th in the league with 977 yards at the point of the catch under A.J Green (1007), Josh Gordon (1005), Calvin Johnson (993), Ashlon Jeffery (989), and Andre Johnson (986). That's an impressive stat (as you can see the company) and it shows what players were down the field when making plays. Marshall just didn't make many yards after the catch. However, if you take into consideration that Marshall led the league in first downs, this shows that he was consistently effective even without gaining much YAC. He was gaining the first downs at the point of the catch as to where other receivers were catching the ball before the markers but making up for it with YAC. So Marshall's lack of YAC doesn't hurt his effectiveness on the field what so ever. He already moved the chains on average at the point of the catch.

 

As far as his hands, considering his 164 targets, a 7.3 drop % isn't great but it's not as bad as you portray it to be. If Marshall doesn't change his stripes, the numbers say he's on his way to possibly a hall of fame career.

 

 

Josh Gordon is my #1 WR. I don't discredit him for having crap QBs.

And you are very wrong. He performs at a high level with or without Aaron Rodgers at QB -- regardless of the statistics he puts up. Which is why I mentioned he had his best season as a pro last year with Aaron gone. Aaron Rodgers being out of the lineup may effect his catches / yards / TDs... But it doesn't change the way he plays the game. It doesn't make him run routes any less, it doesn't make him fake out defenders less, it doesn't make him lose more matchups with top ranked CBs,

 

His skill set does not diminish with a lesser QB -- and neither does any other WR.

 

 

During the 8 game stretch that Aaron Rodgers was out with his injury, Jordy Nelson amassed for 36 catches, 504 yards and only 1 TD averaging only 4.5 catches a game, 63 yards and I really rather not put the TD average. I think it's safe to say that he didn't perform at a high level when Rodgers was out.

Edited April 2, 2014 by dutchff7

[theMileHighGuy 656]

"Brandon Marshall is horrible" I have heard it allll now.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nmDNnvErn4

 

Dude made Kyle Orton look like a real quarterback.

[Dutch 874]

Revamped list.

 

1. Calvin Johnson

 

2. A.J Green

 

3. Andre Johnson

 

 

4. Brandon Marshall

 

5. Dez Bryant

 

6. Demaryius Thomas

7. Julio Jones

 

8. Larry Fitzgerald

 

9. Antonio Brown

 

10. Josh Gordon

Edited April 1, 2014 by dutchff7