Barracuda 629 Posted December 9, 2015 Trump is the typical New Yorker. I really don't care anymore, it'd be interesting to see if he did win that's for sure. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBR96A 87 Posted December 9, 2015 Donald Trump can't possibly make a bigger joke of the presidency than it's already been made by Barack Obama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BucD+ 648 Posted December 9, 2015 It's obvious that the Trump "campaign" is nothing more than a social experiment to see if you're a shitty person. Right? ... ...I mean... ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oochymp 2,393 Posted December 9, 2015 here's my theory on Trump and why his candidacy could be a medium-term good thing: Every country has an extreme nationalist element, it's just the tribal part of human nature and if we're honest with ourselves most of us share some of those opinions to a degree. But some people give in to that tribalism and it's seen in valuing national security over everything else and expressions of cultural superiority, which typically has a racial or religious piece. Most multi-party democracies have a party that specifically caters to that demographic, I know of the Front National in France, someone who knows more about international politics may know others. That party helps a lot in containing that extreme nationalist element, but it is a very vocal segment of the population. In a two-party system, every significant segment of the political spectrum is going to be embraced by one of the two parties. Unfortunately, when a group is as vocal as extreme nationalists typically are, they will every once in a while that group will take control of the party. That's what I think we're seeing with Trump. I am slowly accepting that Trump has a very good chance of winning the Republican primary, because we've gotten into one of those periods where the extreme nationalists have seized control of the Republican Party and turnout for primaries is embarrassingly low. However, once he gets to the general election he will stand no chance. If you want to see what happens when an extreme nationalist gets to the general election look at France's 2002 election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBR96A 87 Posted December 9, 2015 ...expressions of cultural superiority, which typically has a racial or religious piece. I am slowly accepting that Trump has a very good chance of winning the Republican primary, because we've gotten into one of those periods where the extreme nationalists have seized control of the Republican Party and turnout for primaries is embarrassingly low. However, once he gets to the general election he will stand no chance. If you want to see what happens when an extreme nationalist gets to the general election look at France's 2002 election. Actually, Donald Trump's popularity is the equal and opposite reaction to the expressions of cultural and religious superiority by Muslim supremacists. A Muslim supremacist does not come here to be one of us. (S)He comes here to destroy us; therefore, (s)he doesn't belong here. And there's absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution that gives any foreigner the right to immigrate here; immigrating here is a privilege. Furthermore, any pro-immigration sentiment by any of our Founding Fathers was based on the belief that those immigrating here wanted to better their lives and become one of us, not destroy our lives and become the rulers of us. Their pro-immigration sentiment does not apply to Muslim supremacists for this reason. If believing this makes me a nationalist, then so be it. I'd rather be a nationalist than a globalist anyway. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 9, 2015 No one wants Muslim extremists here. He said "no Muslims at all." 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BucD+ 648 Posted December 9, 2015 Actually, Donald Trump's popularity is the equal and opposite reaction to the expressions of cultural and religious superiority by Muslim supremacists. A Muslim supremacist does not come here to be one of us. (S)He comes here to destroy us; therefore, (s)he doesn't belong here. And there's absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution that gives any foreigner the right to immigrate here; immigrating here is a privilege. Furthermore, any pro-immigration sentiment by any of our Founding Fathers was based on the belief that those immigrating here wanted to better their lives and become one of us, not destroy our lives and become the rulers of us. Their pro-immigration sentiment does not apply to Muslim supremacists for this reason. If believing this makes me a nationalist, then so be it. I'd rather be a nationalist than a globalist anyway. What in THEEEEE fuck are you babbling on about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JetsFan4Life 542 Posted December 9, 2015 Trump is the typical New Yorker. I really don't care anymore, it'd be interesting to see if he did win that's for sure. Could you elaborate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted December 9, 2015 There's absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution that gives any foreigner the right to immigrate here; immigrating here is a privilege. Quoting for emphasis. It's not illegal to halt immigration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JetsFan4Life 542 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Quoting for emphasis. It's not illegal to halt immigration. Whether it is or isn't is not the problem. If they were to halt immigration for EVERYONE it'd be a different topic than, "Immigration is fine except for this SPECIFIC group of people." Edited December 9, 2015 by JetsFan4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted December 9, 2015 Anyone who would actually vote for Trump is dead to me. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BJORN 679 Posted December 9, 2015 I kind of wanted to vote for Trump just for the lolz as I think he is a troll and him beating Hilary would be glorious. But lately he has completely lost me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted December 9, 2015 As much as I dislike Hilary, I'd vote for her 10/10 times over Trump. No hesitation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Hillary would without a doubt be the worst president in the history of the United States. Whenever she fucks up she just ducks her head and avoids answering questions. Also not very good that she's had multiple scandals already. She's a political puppet that is controlled by big donors and big business. She is literally corporate america. Edited December 9, 2015 by Chernobyl426 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted December 9, 2015 Just gonna leave this here... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BucD+ 648 Posted December 9, 2015 I'm not going to sit here and debate whether or not what Trump is proposing violates freedom of religion or the due process clause as part of what he is proposing talks about people that are not (yet) American citizens. Although, part of his plan, according to Trump staffers, includes American Muslims who are currently overseas which would be a violation of the constitution. I am also not going to get into what it would take to pass such a dumbfounded fantasy because it is not worth it. What is certain is what this facist fuck stick is proposing, and his puppets of bullshit, feeds directly into what ISIS wants (BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOLD US THIS) and goes against everything that America stands for and was built upon. It is grotesquely immoral. It is flat stupid and the fact that it has to even be debated/talked about is beyond ridiculous. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vin+ 3,121 Posted December 9, 2015 Can't wait to not vote for anyone if it's Hillary/Trump. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted December 9, 2015 The big question is what does Trump mean when he says banning Muslims from entering the country? If he means banning American-Muslims, that's a violation of the constitution. Does he mean simply disallowing immigration? Does he mean not allowing any entering for a Muslim who is not a US citizen? The only way this is actually breaking the law is if he stops American-Muslims from entering the country. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." This means that American-Muslims can't be stopped from entering the country unless they're only be temporarily held to pass a background check to make sure they haven't been up to shady shit. The huge argument right now is that Trump is taking a dump on the 14th amendment. He isn't. Immigrants are not protected by US laws unless they've already taken up residence in the United States. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 9, 2015 I would say that enforcing different immigration rights based on religion is a pretty clear violation of the first amendment. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BucD+ 648 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) No. There is no 'big question' or 'huge arguement.' It has no business being floated as a possible, legitimate idea or plan. It won't happen and it shouldn't happen. Again, it is grotesquely immoral, flat out stupid and it is ridiculous that is even being discussed. This asshole's words are only causing problems. Muslim-American children are being bullied in school and Muslim-American people are being berated daily. This dipshit's hate speech is helping fuel this abhorrent behavior. Also, I wanted to share this... For Muslims in the U.S. military, a different U.S. than the one they swore to defend By Thomas Gibbons-Neff December 9 at 12:53 PM U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Emir Hadzic was a Muslim refugee. “The way Americans welcomed us made such a huge impression on me that I felt like I owed something back,” said Hadzic, a Bosnian-Muslim who fled Sarajevo in 1995. Shortly after arriving in the United States, Hadzic joined the Marine Corps as an infantryman — hoping to help peacekeepers deploying to his homeland. “I thought I would sign up and pay my debt and on behalf of my family,” he added. Eight deployments later and still in the Marine Corps, Hadzic has become disturbed by the rising anti-Muslim sentiment in this country after the recent Islamic State attacks in Paris and last week’s San Bernardino shootings. GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump, a candidate Hadzic used to support, has called for barring Muslims from entering the United States. CONTINUE READING VIA LINK BELOW LINK: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/12/09/for-muslims-in-the-u-s-military-a-different-u-s-than-the-one-they-swore-to-defend/ Edited December 9, 2015 by BucD 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I would say that enforcing different immigration rights based on religion is a pretty clear violation of the first amendment. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. We're not prohibiting the exercising of a religion in the scenario. We'd be limiting a certain group of immigrants, which the law doesn't apply to anyways. (For the record I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Disallowing immigrants for their religion is a fucking stupid idea that won't work. I am against immigration in general right now though.) Edited December 10, 2015 by Chernobyl426 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted December 10, 2015 "Trump is fearmongering! He's trying to scare people!" "Trump is like Hitler!" Lmfao fearmongering at its finest. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_Predator+ 1,196 Posted December 10, 2015 Trump is the antichrist. Anyone that follows him is just as bad as Daesh. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted December 10, 2015 "Trump is fearmongering! He's trying to scare people!" "Trump is like Hitler!" Lmfao fearmongering at its finest. It's not fear mongering when the comparison has some validity. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
