James Andrews never cleared/examined RG3

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Dr. James Andrews said he never cleared Robert Griffin III (knee, LCL) to return to the field because he never even examined him.

 

This conflicts heavily with what head coach Mike Shanahan said shortly after the initial injury happened. Andrews was on the sideline that day, and Shanahan said he asked the world-renowned surgeon if RGIII could go back in. Shanahan said he was told by Andrews that he was good to go. Andrews goes as far to say that he's the one that finally shut Griffin down and adds that he's still a "nervous wreck" and "holding my breath" over the situation. Despite all of this, RGIII will be out there Sunday afternoon against the Seahawks, sporting the knee brace and all. It's clear that he's not really 100 percent, though.

 

Source: USA Today

 

 

Shanahanigans.

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Goodell is going to go bat shit. no draft picks next year. Shanahan will never coach in the league again, RG is to serve life in prison, and a puppy to be kicked over this.

[Glanvilles Grits 142]

And now we all seenwhy he wasn't cleared. The knee isn't even close to being healed and you could tell by the way the joint slid the way it did tonight. That was just terrible. If it wasn't completely destroyed already, it is now. He's going to have a long off-season.

[Guest Phailadelphia]

Goodell is going to go bat shit. no draft picks next year. Shanahan will never coach in the league again, RG is to serve life in prison, and a puppy to be kicked over this.

 

You know what? In this case I'd probably be OK with that. RG3 is going to be a thorn in my and the Cowboys' side for a long time but it still pisses me off to see a coach so blatantly mishandle an injury situation of that caliber. What Shanahan did is indefensible.

[BigBen07 285]

Way to fuck up your teams future, Shanahan.

Edited January 7, 2013 by BigBen07

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This is one reason I am not sold on RG3 as a viable 15 year starter in this league. He plays wreckless and dumb AFTER he has been injured. This guy has about 7 or 8 years before the skins have to do some major suckage to get another big QB.

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This is one reason I am not sold on RG3 as a viable 15 year starter in this league. He plays wreckless and dumb AFTER he has been injured. This guy has about 7 or 8 years before the skins have to do some major suckage to get another big QB.

 

I disagree.

 

I think there were two plays that clearly showed him (re)hurting that knee of his. The first was when WAS was in the redzone. He bootlegged out to his... right I believe. You could tell he didn't have the same speed as he ran towards the sideline. He knew he wasn't going to get the edge, so he was looking into the endzone for somebody to throw to. So he kind of stopped suddenly and his knee buckled as he was getting rid of the ball. I don't think he even gets hit on this play. He falls after his knee buckles and hits his head on the turf, comes up really gimpy. If he does get hit, it is nothing but a grazing as the defenders momentum kept him moving out of bounds as RG3 stopped. This is when he should have just been taken out of the game.

 

The second time was late in the 4th quarter on that botched snap where again.. He doesn't get hit, but he has problems planting that leg trying to pick up the fumble. His knee collapses again, he falls to the ground in pain, Seahawks get the ball back, and the game is practically over.

 

So... Honestly, I don't really put the blame on Bob. You could tell he was holding back in the option and run game because of his leg. He did take a couple of hits in that department, but nothing serious or even completely avoidable.

 

The problem, IMO, is that he shouldn't have been playing to begin it. It was made obvious that his knee wasn't structurally stable (or as stable as it should have been). He had no right being out there.

 

His body type mixed with his abilities and playing style are definitely a bad mix for injuries. He's a much much better QB, but he has the same issues as say a Mike Vick. Just this tall, lanky dude, who was gifted with supreme athleticism and ability to gain yards on the ground.

 

I don't think it was necessarily decisions he made in that game or in previous games that led to him being hurt more or further.

 

When you have a QB such as this, you need to take the right precautions. And the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Mike Shanahan.

[Bucman 891]

RG3 will be lucky to last 5 years with the current play calling. It was reckless on the coaching part to call some of the plays they did with RG3 hurt. RG3 may not even out last the draft picks they gave up to get him at this rate.

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It seems like Shanahan is content to put RG3 out there as long as RG3 says he's fine. But at some point, it's the coach's responsibility to protect the players from themselves, as they say.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Maybe this is why they drafted Cousins... Still stupid though on Shanny's part. You have to sit RGIII here. Think about what Washington gave up to get this guy. He's the most valuable piece to the puzzle in Washington and you need him to be on the field to justify the picks you just gave up for him.

[Duck Fallas 209]

while I believe that Andrews never cleared RG3, I don't think that Shanahan intetionally went against his advice. I feel as though Shanahan went to RG3 and the trainer and asked if he was good to go, once he got the gren light fromn player and trainer, he sent him back out. Not the smartest move, but I highly doubt that he would intentionally risk serious injury to the franchise QB.

 

Then again, I never believed that Joe Pa would be a part of a cover-up of sexual abuse by his defensive coordinator, either....

[Piggly Wiggly 960]

Forgot what point in time it was, but remember that run for a 1st down RG3 had? Dude was hobbling on ONE FUCKING LEG! Shanahan was an absolute fucking idiot not to take him out after that play. Pure dumbfuckery. Way to go, Shanahan.

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Not so much RGIII as it is Shannahan. I guarantee at any point during the game if RGIII would've asked to come out...he would've.

 

Part of being a coach is realizing the best interest for you players. Personally, I would've taken him out at the end of the 1st quarter with already having a 14 point lead and your defense playing well.

 

Ultimately, Shannahan fucked up a players career more likely than not, and also threw away his team's chances to even win that game, which they could have easily of done with Kirk Cousins.

[BigBen07 285]

I think the Redskins should change their offensive philosophy big time. I'm not saying take the options out fully but put more focus on passing. Griffin won't even last 3 years if he keeps running the ball, which would be a shame as I like him a lot.

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I think there were two plays that clearly showed him (re)hurting that knee of his. The first was when WAS was in the redzone. He bootlegged out to his... right I believe. You could tell he didn't have the same speed as he ran towards the sideline. He knew he wasn't going to get the edge, so he was looking into the endzone for somebody to throw to. So he kind of stopped suddenly and his knee buckled as he was getting rid of the ball. I don't think he even gets hit on this play. He falls after his knee buckles and hits his head on the turf, comes up really gimpy. If he does get hit, it is nothing but a grazing as the defenders momentum kept him moving out of bounds as RG3 stopped. This is when he should have just been taken out of the game.

I completely agree with everything you said, and I think you nailed the plays where he re-injured the knee, I just wanted to point out that a lot of ligament injuries occur with absolutely no contact, all it takes is twisting/bending the joint too far or in the wrong direction, and that happens a lot with plants and changes of direction with absolutely no contact

 

Maybe this is why they drafted Cousins... Still stupid though on Shanny's part. You have to sit RGIII here. Think about what Washington gave up to get this guy. He's the most valuable piece to the puzzle in Washington and you need him to be on the field to justify the picks you just gave up for him.

if they drafted Cousins for any reason it should have been so that they could pull RG3 any time they needed to, and this was a time they needed to

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Mike Wise of the Washington Post has a really interesting take on this, here's a link: Link

 

I recommend reading the whole thing, but here are some excerpts:

 

We are going to take Mike Shanahan apart today as if he's some unfeeling, win-at-all-costs mercenary who should've taken Robert Griffin III out of the game long before his quarterback lay on the ground in agony.

 

And, I'm sorry, it's not that easy.

 

Not in a culture that portrays Byron Leftwich's Marshall teammates carrying him downfield after completing a pass — because he cannot walk — as an heirloom of on-field courage.

 

Really, the same people who say South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney's brain-rattling, medieval hit last week are why they watch football now want to call out Shanahan for his callous insensitivity?

 

...

 

But let's be clear: This is how it was always going to end.

 

Griffin on the ground in agony, Shanahan seeing his worst nightmare unfold — the face of the franchise who doesn't always tell his coach the truth about his health, unable to get up under his own power; his coach ashen-faced, knowing he probably shouldn't have been so swayed by a kid with such a huge heart, no matter how good he is.

 

...

 

Also, ask yourself this — and be honest: Would you have felt any differently about Shanahan's decision if Washington wins this game, that somehow, some way, a hobbled Griffin led them back from the brink to their first playoff victory in seven years?

 

He would have been feted like Willis Reed was in 1973, like Kirk Gibson double-clutching his fist as he limped around the bases after his miraculous walk-off homer.

 

The point is, many of us feel differently — offended in some corners, disgusted in others — because of the outcome. I don't remember anyone questioning the coaching or medical staffs of the Knicks, Dodgers and Bulls for putting their players at risk of further injury.

 

Those are the forever moments in sports we put up on pedestals, to remind us, after all the money and the glory and the fame, how much another human being actually wants it.

 

...

 

The reason more than 80,000 people rose in euphoria at FedEx Field the past few months is precisely because of the heart and resilience of the coach and the quarterback. You take that away from them, you make them rational, clear-thinking adults in the crucible of competition . . . there is no playoff game for the first time in 13 years in Washington on Sunday.

I'm not sure I agree with him about Shanahan being off the hook, but he does raise an interesting point, it's tough to praise players for 'manning up' or whatever particular phrase you want to use and fighting through injury then turn on them and call it a stupid decision when it doesn't turn into a storybook ending

Edited January 7, 2013 by oochymp

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Well, at least Andrews will get to examine him now.

 

 

The Washington Post reports that Robert Griffin III's MRI revealed a partially torn ACL and LCL in his right knee.

 

Griffin is traveling down to Florida to be examined by Dr. James Andrews on Tuesday to determine if the injuries are old or new. It's not clear whether surgery will be required or how long the quarterback will be sidelined if the injuries are determined to be new ones, but exploratory surgery to determine the severity is also said to be an option. RGIII is hoping to avoid reconstructive right knee surgery for the second time in his football career, but that remains to be seen. Griffin underwent the MRI after his knee bent awkwardly and buckled underneath him in the fourth quarter of Sunday's playoff loss to the Seahawks.

 

Source: Washington Post

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You ride the guy who got you there. You owe him the right to choose if he wants to come out or not. So long as he wants to go back in then I'd have no problem with it. I watched McNair do it his entire career. McNair earned the right to decide when he wanted to play and when he wanted to sit. RG3 has done the same.

[Duck Fallas 209]

Per the Washington Post, via espn.com:

On Monday, Andrews told The Washington Post that "Shanahan didn't lie about it, and I didn't lie."

 

"I didn't get to examine (Griffin's knee) because he came out for one play, didn't let us look at him and on the next play, he ran through all the players and back out onto the field," he told the newspaper.

 

"Coach Shanahan looks at me like, 'Is he OK?' and I give him the 'Hi' sign as in, 'He's running around, so I guess he's OK.' But I didn't get to check him out until after the game. It was just a communication problem. Heat of battle. I didn't get to tell him I didn't get to examine the knee. Mike Shanahan would never have put him out there at risk just to win a game."

 

Pretty much what I assumed happened.

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Damn, reading Vin's post... poor RG III. He's likely out now until at least late August.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Robert Griffin III will undergo LCL surgery this week, and doctors will then determine whether his ACL has been damaged.

 

Initial tests showed a partial tear of the ACL, but it's still not clear if that is damage from his previous surgery. Griffin had only minor tears and stretching to his LCL in early December; it appears that he indeed suffered a more complete tear in the season-ending loss to the Seahawks. If it turns out that RGIII does not need a second reconstructive surgery to repair the ACL, he should be able to participate at some level in offseason practices.

 

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

[Duck Fallas 209]

So it looks to be as bad as it looked when he went down in the 4th quarter. I know it is too much to expect an AP style comeback, but is it wrong to wish for it?

 

Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III will undergo total reconstructive surgery of his right knee early Wednesday morning to repair torn anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments, but he is expected to be ready for the opener of the 2013 NFL regular season, according to team sources familiar with the determination made by orthopedic specialist Dr. James Andrews.

 

 

 

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The torn ACL was diagnosed late Tuesday as a complete tear of the patella graft that was used to repair Griffin's torn ACL suffered at Baylor in 2009. A team source said Andrews likely will use a patella graft from Griffin's left knee to repair the most recent tear.

 

 

Griffin's recovery is projected at six to eight months, barring any setbacks, sources said. The rehabilitation plan will focus primarily on strengthening Griffin's quadriceps to help protect and help stabilize the knee, according to sources. The reconstruction of the LCL is considered a complication, but sources said Andrews informed the Redskins it should rehab well during the same six-to-eight month time frame as the ACL injury.

 

 

Under this projected time frame of surgery, recovery and rehab, Griffin should be able to participate at some level during training camp in August and be ready to open the season in September, according to the sources.

 

 

Griffin thanked his fans for their support in a tweet Wednesday morning.

 

 

 

"Thank you for your prayers and support. I love God, my family, my team, the fans, & I love this game. See you guys next season," he wrote.

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So it looks to be as bad as it looked when he went down in the 4th quarter. I know it is too much to expect an AP style comeback, but is it wrong to wish for it?

because it's his second in four years, I think expecting him not to miss a beat is way too optimistic, though you can always hope

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According Redskins team doctor James Andrews, Robert Griffin III underwent a "direct repair" of his torn LCL Wednesday, and a "re-do" of his previous ACL reconstruction.

 

In other words, Griffin has undergone a reconstruction of his right knee. Andrews declined to offer an exact timetable for Griffin's return, but said "it is everybody's hope and belief that due to Robert's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season." As Adrian Peterson and others have proven, ACL tears are no longer a particularly imposing injury to come back from, but RGIII's case is made a bit tricker by the fact that this is his second reconstruction. Nevertheless, Griffin is every bit the athlete AD is, and we'd be far from surprised if he's ready for Week 1. His timeline should clarify in the coming weeks.

 

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter

[Duck Fallas 209]

As a Redskins fan, I would love to see him back on the field for week 1. At the same time, I see him as our QB of the future and don't want them to rush him back to be ready for week 1. We have a more than capable back-up, one who, with grooming, could be a damn good starter for most teams in teh league. With that kind of insurance, why take the risk?

 

Besides, if we get Cousins in their and he lights up the box score, would that not increase his trade valuie when that time comes?