ATL_Predator+ 1,196 Posted November 6, 2012 This NFL season, we have seen numerous rookies at various positions contribute in more than many different ways constantly for different teams. Whether it's RG3 putting his life (literally) on the line for the Redskins, or Doug Martin of the Bucs going off for 250 rushing yards and 4 TD's. This isn't necessarily a matter of who ROY should be, but more so if you could take any rookie from the draft class of 2012..who would you pick to build your team around and why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Luck, hands down. RG3 is good, but I'm unsure how long he will last if he doesn't curb his reckless running. He isn't built like Cam, he can't take those hits. The play on 4th and 4 Sunday where he leapt into the air and was hit by about 4 Carolina defenders, spun around, and landed on his shoulder nearly gave me a heart-attack. The man has to learn to protect himself. And long-term I think Luck will be better even if RG3 remains healthy. Edited November 6, 2012 by Thanatos19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CampinWithaMissingPerson 2,025 Posted November 6, 2012 Luck easily, and it's not even close IMO. I've ranked Luck as the #1 rookie QB all year even when RGIII had better stats and wins. People called me stupid then, and how could I possibly rank Luck ahead of RGIII with their stats and the way the beginning of the season went, and now—well now, they've shut up. Luck's been making all the hard plays, throws down field and threatens/puts pressure on the defense way more than RGIII. I still like RGIII as a prospect, I just like Luck that much more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch 874 Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Luck no question. Tannehill would be 2nd. Edited November 6, 2012 by dutchff7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milla4Prez63 678 Posted November 6, 2012 1.Adrew Luck 2.Robert Griffin III 3.Ryan Tannehill 4.Doug Martin Everybody else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiLaSix9+ 398 Posted November 6, 2012 Luck easily. Guy is the real deal. When they build a strong team around him, they will be playoff contenders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glanvilles Grits 142 Posted November 6, 2012 Really close race between Doug Martin and Andrew Luck for me. However, I believe I would want Doug Martin. The guy can run the ball, and he can catch passes out of the back field. If he keeps it up, he's going to be considered one of the best backs in all of football soon. I can easily sway myself to Andrew Luck though. His pocket presences is just ridiculous, and he knows when to run - when he does run, he does it well. Guy has unbelievable accuracy and can make every type of throw he needs to make. May I have them both? Also, I know some people will pick RG3 in this poll. I ask though, why? Why would you want to build your franchise around a guy who actually is in position to be injured more often than he needs to be? If you are going to go with a quarterback, I would almost think that you have to go with Luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted November 6, 2012 Really close race between Doug Martin and Andrew Luck for me. However, I believe I would want Doug Martin. The guy can run the ball, and he can catch passes out of the back field. If he keeps it up, he's going to be considered one of the best backs in all of football soon. I can easily sway myself to Andrew Luck though. His pocket presences is just ridiculous, and he knows when to run - when he does run, he does it well. Guy has unbelievable accuracy and can make every type of throw he needs to make. May I have them both? Also, I know some people will pick RG3 in this poll. I ask though, why? Why would you want to build your franchise around a guy who actually is in position to be injured more often than he needs to be? If you are going to go with a quarterback, I would almost think that you have to go with Luck. Why would people want RGIII? I think the more pressing question is why the fuck would you want to try and build your franchise around a HB, lmao. "BUT HE JUST RAN FOR LIKE 250 YARDZ". Lol. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
housemd 338 Posted November 6, 2012 Luke Kuechly,no doubt Maybe Lavonte David,guy's been awesome recently.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_Predator+ 1,196 Posted November 6, 2012 Luke Kuechly,no doubt Maybe Lavonte David,guy's been awesome recently.. So you go defense I see...I personally would pick Kuechly as well. A future Quarterback of the defense to me is a step right below the quarterback of the offense. If ATL were to build a franchise...I'm starting on the defensive side of the ball, and Kuechly is a special player that I would love to build a defense, let alone, a team around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turry 755 Posted November 6, 2012 Lol at choosing a HB to build a franchise around. Running backs are so interchangeable these days. The days of a workhorse back are long gone. I went with Luck for reasons stated above. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch 874 Posted November 6, 2012 Seeing as though this is basically a draft, there's no way I'm not choosing the best QB 1st let along picking another position outside QB to build my franchise around; especially a RB. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted November 6, 2012 If you want a QB of the defense, I'd look no further than Harrison Smith, this guy is in the right position incredibly often, rarely gets burned, and the secondary has shown a ton of improvement with his addition (Seahawks game hopefully being an aberration). My choice though, and this is simply because he's been the most dominant rookie force as a pass rusher is Chandler Jones. Might just be BB's scheme making him unreal, but he's already looking like the next Willie McGinest for them, or maybe something more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bay 2,003 Posted November 6, 2012 Arian Foster went undrafted for Christ sake. You can find these gems at RB and with any resemble of a competent line. Chris Ivory is another back who I'm high on. Went undrafted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mathias 394 Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Who in the fuck would want to build their franchise around a RB in today's NFL? Jesus fucking Christ. Edited November 6, 2012 by Mathias 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CampinWithaMissingPerson 2,025 Posted November 6, 2012 Or a LB for that matter? Kuechly is gonna be a stud and everything, but unless that LB is Lawrence Taylor or a young Ray Lewis what are you thinking? Franchise QB, always. serviceable HBs, and LBs can be had way easier. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllYouNeedIsLovie 377 Posted November 6, 2012 Or a LB for that matter? Kuechly is gonna be a stud and everything, but unless that LB is Lawrence Taylor or a young Ray Lewis what are you thinking? Franchise QB, always. serviceable HBs, and LBs can be had way easier. No doubt it is Luck, for me. I love RG3 and his potential, but with how often he runs it and gets smacked, I couldn't trust him staying healthy his entire career. I love Doug Martin and Lavonte David and think it's awesome they've been mentioned in this thread, but there's no doubt in my mind the guy I want to build around is Luck. A franchise QB is the best thing a team can have. And Luck is going to be a special one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glanvilles Grits 142 Posted November 7, 2012 You gave me a set list of players to build around. I would take a running back. Hell, I may even argue to take a top lineman if I had one on that list. 1 Luck 2 Martin 3 Tannehill You don't need an All Pro QB to have a good team. You can still win with the power run. I would surely see no issue taking a polarizing back with pass catching ability. A guy that can do it all so to speak. Yes, Foster was found in the seventh round. Big deal.With your guys logic, basically if there was a league redraft the top 20 picks would all be QBs. You build a team to your liking. I'm more interested in a power run, clock killing offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GA_Eagle 595 Posted November 7, 2012 Luck. Not only should you always build around QB in today's NFL, he's the best rookie prospect in years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bay 2,003 Posted November 7, 2012 You gave me a set list of players to build around. I would take a running back. Hell, I may even argue to take a top lineman if I had one on that list. 1 Luck 2 Martin 3 Tannehill You don't need an All Pro QB to have a good team. You can still win with the power run. I would surely see no issue taking a polarizing back with pass catching ability. A guy that can do it all so to speak. Yes, Foster was found in the seventh round. Big deal.With your guys logic, basically if there was a league redraft the top 20 picks would all be QBs. You build a team to your liking. I'm more interested in a power run, clock killing offense. *undrafted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glanvilles Grits 142 Posted November 7, 2012 My mistake on that one. Now that I'm thinking about it, hell - who needs a quarterback? I mean, the Patriots found Tom Brady... I get how stupid that sounds. Which is exactly why I said that. I'll keep my stance that if I had to chose one of the players given in the poll it's Martin then a close second is Luck for me. If I were building a team, I would never have a passing team. It's all about winning TOP and the battles at the LOS for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted November 7, 2012 The value of a half back is negligible compared to that of a quarterback. Running and controlling the clock is all well and good, but you will get nowhere in today's NFL without a franchise QB unless you have an ELITE defense, and even then it's rare. The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs were aberrations on a trend of elite QBs winning the Super Bowl over the last two decades, and they won because of their defenses, as previously mentioned. Only four crappy QBs won the Super Bowl in the first 26 seasons, making the score 6/46 for bad QBs winning the Super Bowl, only two of which occurred in the last two decades. Last 20 years Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman Super Bowl 29. Steve Young Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre Super Bowl 32. John Elway Super Bowl 33. John Elway Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning First 26 Super Bowls (bolded are the crap QBs) Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson Super Bowl 5. John Unitas Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien Furthermore, runningbacks are a dime a dozen. That's a cliche statement for a reason. 57% of all Super Bowls have been won by QBs drafted in the first round. Only 13 QBs have ever won the Super Bowl and not been a first round pick and 3 of those were shitty ass QBs. Runningbacks can be found in any round of the draft and some great ones go undrafted. You can take your runningback, but odds are you'll be investing in a losing future unless you find that 11th good non-1st round QB somehow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaTaS+ 958 Posted November 7, 2012 Brandon "Get Off My Lawn" Weeden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glanvilles Grits 142 Posted November 7, 2012 To each their own I suppose, as I said before. I will take a 2nd - 3rd round quarterback with a strong running game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted November 7, 2012 To each their own I suppose, as I said before. I will take a 2nd - 3rd round quarterback with a strong running game. So you like not winning Super Bowls. No wonder you're a Falcons fan. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites