Thanatos 2,847 Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) I was looking over draft needs and picks for Carolina and this stat came up: The Panthers have not had a first-round bust in the last ten years: QB Cam Newton (2011), RB Jonathan Stewart and OT Jeff Otah (2008), LB Jon Beason (2007), RB DeAngelo Williams (2006), LB Thomas Davis (2005), CB Chris Gamble (2004), OT Jordan Gross (2003), DE Julius Peppers (2002). I was curious just how much of an anomaly this was. What do your team's last ten years of first rounders look like? Edited April 23, 2012 by Thanatos19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badgers 380 Posted April 24, 2012 You don't wanna know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vin+ 3,121 Posted April 24, 2012 I was looking over draft needs and picks for Carolina and this stat came up: The Panthers have not had a first-round bust in the last ten years: QB Cam Newton (2011), RB Jonathan Stewart and OT Jeff Otah (2008), LB Jon Beason (2007), RB DeAngelo Williams (2006), LB Thomas Davis (2005), CB Chris Gamble (2004), OT Jordan Gross (2003), DE Julius Peppers (2002). I was curious just how much of an anomaly this was. What do your team's last ten years of first rounders look like? Now I see where all the draft luck has gone.... 2002 - John Henderson 2003 - Byron Leftwich 2004 - Reggie Williams 2005 - Matt Jones 2006 - Marcedes Lewis 2007 - Reggie Nelson 2008 - Derrick Harvey 2009 - Eugene Monroe 2010 - Tyson Alualu 2011 - Blaine Gabbert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLUE 1,026 Posted April 24, 2012 2011 (19) Prince Amukamara 2010 (15) Jason Pierre-Paul 2009 (29) Hakeem Nicks 2008 (31) Kenny Phillips 2007 (20) Aaron Ross 2006 (32) Mathias Kiwanuka 2005 no 1st round pick, Corey Webster was our first overall, drafted in round 2 2004 Technically Phillip Rivers 4th overall, ended up with Eli after the trade 2003 (25) William Joseph 2002 (14) Jeremy Shockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 442 Posted April 24, 2012 From 2001 we had nine first rounders, 2 picks that we got average use out of for around 5 years, 2 complete busts, 2 are still questionable, and 3 picks have panned out alright so far but time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteVo+ 3,702 Posted April 24, 2012 Holy crap, that's an impressive stat for Carolina. Never noticed how on-the-money they were with 1st rounders. Here's the Eagles' resume. Since they had no 1st rounders in 2007 or 2008, I included 2000 and 2001 so you could see their last ten picks in the first round. 2000: DT Corey Simon 2001: WR Frddie Mitchell 2002: CB Lito Sheppard 2003: DE Jerome McDougle 2004: OG Shawn Andrews 2005: DT Mike Patterson 2006: DT Broderick Bunkley 2009: WR Jeremy Maclin 2010: DE Brandon Graham 2011: OG Danny Watkins For my money: 2 total busts, 2 mediocre/decent players, 4 serviceable players, and 1 high quality player. Jury is still out on Graham, while Maclin and Watkins are serviceable for now but could easily upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bay 2,003 Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) 2011 - Aldon Smith. Looking good! 2010 - Anthony Davis - looking like a bust, Mike Iuapti - very solid LG. 2009 - Michael Crabtee - He's running out of time 2008 - Kentwan Balmer - BUST 2007 - Patrick Willis - , Joe Staley - solid LT 2006 - Vernon Davis - , Manny Lawson - he wasn't bad just is better suited in a 4-3 2005 - Alex Smith - Hopefully on the way to resurrecting his career 2004 - Rashaun Woods - 2003 - Kwame Harris - 2002 - Mike Rumph - 4 busts in a row from 02-05 Edited April 24, 2012 by BayAreaBomber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted April 24, 2012 2011: Jimmy Smith 2009: Micheal Oher 2008: Joe Flacco 2007: Ben Grubbs 2006: Haloti Ngata 2005: Mark Clayton 2003: Kyle Boller 2002: Ed Reed 2001: Todd Heap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaTaS+ 958 Posted April 24, 2012 So painful. This is why the Browns have sucked for so long. Look how many of these guys are no longer with the team. 2002: William Green - Bust, No Longer With Team 2003: Jeff Faine - No Longer With Team 2004: Kellen Winslow II - No Longer With Team 2005: Braylon Edwards - No Longer With Team 2006: Kamerion Wimbley - No Longer With Team 2007: Joe Thomas - Pro Bowl LT ..........Brady Quinn - No Longer With Team 2008: None - Thanks Brady Quinn 2009: Alex Mack 2010: Joe Haden 2011: Phil Taylor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.AirMcNair. 1,232 Posted April 24, 2012 2002 - Albert Haynesworth - Only 2 seasons of elite play(07,08). Otherwise no better than a decent player. Not exactly a bust, but not a star either. 2003 - Andre Woolfolk - lol. What a fucking fail. Picked him over Asomugha. bust 2004 - Traded first rounder to Houston..why I can't remember, but our first pick in 04 was Ben Troupe, who was a bust. 2005 - Pac-Man Jones - Do I even need to say anything? So much talent but so much failure. bust 2006 - Vince Young - lol. bust 2007 - Michael Griffin - Looked like he was gonna be a star, but he's regressed BIG TIME. He's getting one last chance to turn his act around. a ? 2008 - Chris Johnson - One of the best in the league at his position, so a win here. 2009 - Kenny Britt - Looks like he can be a star, but he has to stay healthy. 2010 - Derrick Morgan - Has looked good when fully healthy as well, but like Britt, has to stay that way. 2011 - Jake Locker - Looks like he could be the QB of the future, but the jury is still out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted April 24, 2012 2011 - Cameron Hayward, DE: showed some ability as a rookie. Looks promising. 2010 - Maurkice Pouncey, C: Overrated to this point, but he's a solid player. 2009 - Evander "Ziggy" Hood, DE: Average at best, shitty at worst. If he doesn't turn it on this season, I'm calling bust. 2008 - Rashard Mendenhall, RB: Has played really well behind a shit OL. Injuries might end his time with the Steelers. 2007 - Lawrence Timmons, ILB: Had a down year last year after being moved to OLB for a while. Showed he can be elite in 2010. 2006 - Santonio Holmes, WR: Did well when he was in town and, with Ben, gave us "The Drive." Headcase that got dumped later on. 2005 - Heath Miller, TE: Has been solid as fuck and pretty underrated. 2004 - Ben Roethlisberger, QB: Probably a Hall of Famer. 2003 - Troy Polamalu, SS: Definitely a Hall of Famer. 2002 - Kendall Simmons, OG: Was an awesome player before he got diabetes. Helped us win a Super Bowl in 2005. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted April 24, 2012 2011 - Von Miller: It's early but his career is looking promising, sack artist with a well rounded game, could be the best 4-3 OLB in football soon. 2010 - DeMaryius Thomas: He has had a great 6 game stretch to end 2011, but there are injury concerns to worry about, and an attitude that I can only hope doesn't implode in his face. Other than that, he's a physical freak and he should continue looking like Calvin Johnson. 2010 - Tim Tebow: Well he's off the team now, but he did have a good year as a quarterback, even if his passing still needs a lot of work. People are quick to write him off, but he has the potential to succeed in this league. 2009 - Robert Ayers: Solid DE that did not fit in Josh MCDumbass's 3-4 scheme. No worries now, he's a good 2 down player. Not what you want out of a first round pick, but a good role player for our team. 2009 - Knowshon Moreno: Fucking hell. Injured all the time, slow, pointless on our roster. Overshadowed by McGahee and Lance Ball and really shouldn't have a roster spot with his history. 2008 - Ryan Clady: 2011 was a big step down in what we've come to expect from him. He can be a top 10 LT in this league, but last year wasn't even close to what he should be. 2007 - Jarvis Moss: Fuck. 2006 - Jay Cutler: Traded him away for Robert Ayers... and that's about it for value. Silly McDaniels. 2005 - No First Rounder: We gave it to Washington for a 2005 third rounder (Karl Paymah) and the 22nd (traded down with it, essentially firepower to get Javon Walker and Jay Cutler) and 119th (Brandon Marshall) picks overall in 2006. I generally approve. 2004 - D.J. Williams: Solid contributor to the Denver Defense. Some character issues like DUI's we've dealt with for his entire career but he's a solid contributor with a lot of versatility. 2003 - George Foster: Meh. Not so great Right Tackle for us. Nothing special. 2002 - Ashley Lelie: Not a terrible receiver, but not worthy of the first round pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piggly Wiggly 960 Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) 2001: Richard Seymour - Kind of wish the Pats didn't trade him. 2002: Daniel Graham - Serviceable TE, but sure as hell not worth a 1st rounder. 2003: Ty Warren - 'Twas a pretty damn solid DE. 2004: Vince Wilfork - Still a fucking beast. 2005: Logan Mankins - Slightly overrated, but still one of the best OGs in the league. 2006: Laurence Maroney - Fuck him. Had potential to be a really good back, but he could never learn to not dance around when he was carrying the ball. 2007: Brandon Meriweather - lol. 2008: Jerod Mayo - Has some flaws, but a pretty damn good LB overall. 2010: Devin McCourty - Had a fantastic rookie season, but was utter dog shit last year. Not gonna write him off yet, though. 2011: Nate Solder - Really impressed me considering he was undersized and thrown right into the fire last season. Just needs to put on some more weight and he'll be a lock as the face of the LT position. Solid group of players outside of Graham, Maroney, and Meriweather. Edited April 24, 2012 by BenJarvus Green-Ellis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Packers Dynasty 2010 116 Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) 2011: OT Derek Sherrod: Didn't see a whole lot of playing time last season and unsure of him coming off a broken leg but he has potential. 2010: Bryan Bulaga: He was a top 5 RT this past season when he was healthy. Good pick 2009: BJ Raji: Was good in 2010 but took a major step back this past season. With help along the D-line, he could be good once again. 2009: Clay Matthews III: Borderline top 5 3-4 OLB already that isn't just a passrushing threat anymore 2008: No pick 2007: Justin Harrell: Had potential but could never stay healthy. Still don't understand why Thompson drafted him with all the injury concerns. 2006: A.J. Hawk: Decent ILB but not worth a top 5 pick and what he's getting paid right now is absurd. 2005: Aaron Rodgers: Best QB in the league 2004: Ahmad Carrol: A terrible scrub that tried to play physical and would constantly draw DPI when not being burnt. 2003: Nick Barnett, was a damn good MLB that was been underrated. 2002: Javon Walker, had a great season in 2004 before becoming a diva and only wanting money. After being traded, had a good season but struggled since and now finds himself out of the NFL. Have done well since Thompson took over. Edited April 24, 2012 by Packers Dynasty 2010 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oochymp 2,393 Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) 2002 - Albert Haynesworth - Only 2 seasons of elite play(07,08). Otherwise no better than a decent player. Not exactly a bust, but not a star either. 2003 - Andre Woolfolk - lol. What a fucking fail. Picked him over Asomugha. bust 2004 - Traded first rounder to Houston..why I can't remember, but our first pick in 04 was Ben Troupe, who was a bust. 2005 - Pac-Man Jones - Do I even need to say anything? So much talent but so much failure. bust 2006 - Vince Young - lol. bust 2007 - Michael Griffin - Looked like he was gonna be a star, but he's regressed BIG TIME. He's getting one last chance to turn his act around. a ? 2008 - Chris Johnson - One of the best in the league at his position, so a win here. 2009 - Kenny Britt - Looks like he can be a star, but he has to stay healthy. 2010 - Derrick Morgan - Has looked good when fully healthy as well, but like Britt, has to stay that way. 2011 - Jake Locker - Looks like he could be the QB of the future, but the jury is still out. I'd pretty much agree with those assessments except that I'd add that Vince gave us a few very good seasons, but you expect more than that from the 3d overall pick so I can't disagree with assessing that pick as a whiff, I'll also point out that Awesome-o was the fifth corner taken in 2003 with the 31st overall pick, so we weren't the only team to make that mistake Edited April 24, 2012 by oochymp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllYouNeedIsLovie 377 Posted April 24, 2012 2011: Adrian Clayborn- Played very solid as a rookie last year and was our best pass rusher. Really excited to see what he does next year. 2010: Gerald McCoy: When he's on the field, he's a great player, but he needs to stay on the field. If he gets hurt again this season, I may have to put the bust label on him. 2009: Josh Freeman: Great sophomore season follow by a bad year last season. We'll see what we have in him this year. If he disappoints, we will probably look for a new QB. If he impresses, we have ourselves a franchise QB. 2008: Aqib Talib: Has been a great CB for us, but cannot stay out of trouble. Needs to get his head on straight. 2007: Gaines Adams: Never really lived up to his potential and never became the pass rusher we were expecting. I think after 3 seasons in Tampa we traded him to the Bears and we all know what happened when he went there. (RIP) 2006: Davin Joseph: Solid pick. He has been our best offensive lineman for 4 or 5 years now, but now Carl Nicks has taken over that role. 2005: Cadillac Williams: Talented player, but unfortunately injuries killed him. He was always a fan favorite in Tampa and I always admired his desire to keep on playing football after suffering injury after injury. 2004: Michael Clayton: Awesome rookie season, but fell off the map after that. He got hurt his sophomore season and just never produced like he did his rookie season after it. 2003: No 1st round pick 2002: No 1st round pick The only one's I would consider busts are Clayton and Adams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mathias 394 Posted April 24, 2012 02: S Roy Williams 03: CB Terrence Newman 04: No pick 05: LB DeMarcus Ware 05: DE Marcus Spears 06: LB Bobby Carpenter (Jesus Christ what a piece of shit pick this was) 07: LB Anthony Spencer 08: RB Felix Jones 08: CB Mike Jenkins 09: No pick 10: WR Dez Bryant 11: OT Tyron Smith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
True Blue 16 Posted April 24, 2012 2011: RT James Carpenter... on the path to bust. 2010: LT Russel Okung... All Pro potential, needs to stay healthy. 2010: FS Earl Thomas... Damn good pick. 2009: LB Aaron Curry... BUST. 2008: DE Lawrence Jackson... BUST. 2006: CB Kelling Jennings... BUST. 2005: C Chis Spencer... Meh. 2004: DT Marcus Tubbs... Pretty good. 2003: CB Marcus Trufant... Very good. 2002: TE Jerramy Stevens... BUST. Drafting under Ruskell was pretty bad, lots of misses. Schneider so far has done a damn good job, mostly finding steals in the later rounds and after the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted April 24, 2012 So painful. This is why the Browns have sucked for so long. Look how many of these guys are no longer with the team. 2002: William Green - Bust, No Longer With Team 2003: Jeff Faine - No Longer With Team 2004: Kellen Winslow II - No Longer With Team 2005: Braylon Edwards - No Longer With Team 2006: Kamerion Wimbley - No Longer With Team 2007: Joe Thomas - Pro Bowl LT ..........Brady Quinn - No Longer With Team 2008: None - Thanks Brady Quinn 2009: Alex Mack 2010: Joe Haden 2011: Phil Taylor Silver lining is.. Your most recent years are your best ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glanvilles Grits 142 Posted April 24, 2012 2001: Mike Vick... Pro Bowler (Stupid decisions) 2002: TJ Duckett... Meh Alright 2003: No Pick 2004: DeAngelo Hall... Pro Bowler (Stupid decisions) Michael Jenkins... Solid #2 WR option. 2005: Roddy White... Pro Bowler 2006: No Pick 2007: Jamaal Anderson... BUST 2008: Matt Ryan... Solid Quarterback Sam Baker... BUST (IMO) 2009: Peria Jerry... BUST (IMO) 2010: Sean Weatherspoon 2011: Julio Jones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiLaSix9+ 398 Posted April 24, 2012 As GFTL pointed out, we've had solid picks but injuries have really fucked up the opportunity for some great players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FartWaffles 1,857 Posted April 24, 2012 2002: David Carr: QB, Fresno State -Big time bust, though one could argue that he was never surrounded with talent or a competent o-line. 2003: Andre Johnson: WR, Miami (Fla.) -Arguably the best wide receiver in the game during this era. 2004: Dunta Robinson: CB, South Carolina -Rookie sensation followed by a bunch of "meh" years. Not living up to his 10th overall draft position. 2004: Jasin Babin: DE, Western Michigan -Bust with the Texans, but transformed in to a Pro Bowler the past couple years under Jim Washburn. 2005: Travis Johnson: DT, Florida State -Absolute bust. I think this is the worst first round selection so far in Texans history. 2006: Mario Williams: DE/OLB, NC State -An athletic freak, with rare abilities. Motor and injuries have come into question. Left in free agency. 2007: Amobi Okoye: DT, Louisville -A bust with the Texans, but still young and could have a Jason Babin-esque change with another team. 2008: Duane Brown: LT, Virginia Tech -Probably the most underrated left tackle in the league. He should anchor the o-line for many years. 2009: Brian Cushing: ILB, USC -Very nasty and hard-hitting linebacker. The heart and soul of the Texans defense. 2010: Kareem Jackson: CB, Alabama -Bounced back from an atrocious rookie season. Still has a lot he needs to improve upon. 2011: J.J. Watt: DE, Wisconsin -Had an amazing rookie year playing the five-tech. Looks like he has a bright future ahead of him. All in all the past couple drafts have been a lot better than the first five or so years. Judging from last season, it looks like Wade Phillips definitely has a better eye for defensive talent than GM Rick Smith, so that's a plus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC 331 Posted May 3, 2012 You don't wanna know. Nick Perry will be good, Clay Mathews is good, BJ Raji is good, AJ Hawk sucks, Brian Bulaga is good, Aaron Rodgers is good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milla4Prez63 678 Posted May 3, 2012 Very interesting Carolina hasn't had a first round bust over the past decade, too bad it hasn't won them anything. As for the Bucs... 2002-No pick. Sent to Raiders to hire Gruden. 2003-No pick. See above. 2004-WR Michael Clayton. Beast rookie season, miserable bust since then. 2005-RB Cadillac Williams. Won rookie of the year, but injuries derailed his career. 2006-OG Davin Joseph. Two-time Pro Bowler. Pretty good guard in general. Easily the best pick of the past decade. 2007-DE Gaines Adams. Was a bust on the field and unfortunalty passed away too young. 2008-CB Aqib Talib. Awesome player, but stupid and his days could be numbered because of it. 2009-QB Josh Freeman. Jury is still out. Up and down rookie year, great 2nd season, awful 3rd. 2010-DT Gerald McCoy. Jury is still out. He looked great before going on IR last year. 2011-DE Adrian Clayborn. Nice rookie year, but we'll see if he improves off it. 2012-S Mark Barron, RB Doug Martin. We shall see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted May 4, 2012 Corey Simon, Freddie Mitchell, Lito Sheppard, Jerome McDougle, Shawn Andrews, Mike Patterson, Brodrick Bunkley, Jeremy Maclin, Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
